Torres vs Suarez (or why can't we have both?)

Torres vs Suarez (or why can't we have both?)

Recently there have been rumours  surrounding Fernando Torres and a potential move back to Liverpool, almost a year after he went to Chelsea for £50 million. The consensus from most Liverpool fans is that there’s no chance we will take him back.

But hang on a second. Is there really a huge difference between Torres and Liverpool’s star man, Luis Suarez, this season? And would linking up with Suarez not potentially bring back the Torres we used to know and love?

So far this season Suarez has scored 5 goals to Torres’ 2. Suarez is better then, right? Not exactly. Suarez has scored 5 goals but in the tables below we can see that he has played 1215 minutes compared to Torres who has only played 541 minutes. He has also started more than twice the amount of games that Torres has.

So Torres has played just under half the amount of time Suarez has and has scored just under half the amount of goals. Seems pretty even. What sets them apart however are how many shots it has taken them to reach their respective goal tallies. Suarez has had 59 shots on goal so far this season, with 26 finding the target. Torres has taken 15 shots, with 7 on target.

Suarez shooting stats


Suarez is averaging slightly better than a goal for every 12 shots he takes. Torres however is scoring 1 goal for every 7.5 shots.

Torres shooting stats

 

Torres more than edges this. When he scores he takes 4.5 less shots than Suarez to do so. Torres’ shooting accuracy is also superior, hitting the target with 47% of his shots.

Suarez is hitting the target with 44% of his shots, but the crucial difference is in how well they take these chances. Suarez is converting 8% of his chances. A poor return considering teams like Blackburn Rovers, on average score 17% of theirs.

Suarez shooting accuracy and conversion rate

Torres however puts away 13% of his chances and yet is painted as being the more wasteful of the two.

Torres shooting accuracy and conversion rate

Suarez minutes per goal (243 minutes per goal, to Torres’ 271) may be superior, but based on the stats, if Torres had as many chances on goal as Suarez, his total goals for the season so far would be 8.

“But Suarez adds much more than goals,” I hear you cry. Well of course he does. But what if Suarez was supplying those crosses along the edge of the 6 yard box, and Torres was there to put them away?

Suarez assist stats

As shown by the table above, Suarez has created 31 chances this season, with only 1 being scored.

1.

Let that sink in…

That’s just over 3% of chances created by Suarez being converted in to goals. That is disgracefully low. And it is not his fault. There is merely no one there to finish them. Maybe if he had a proper goal-scoring front man to supply more of these chances to, then they would be converted.

This front man may not be Torres, but based on the stats, the possibility of him making a dramatic and successful return to Anfield cannot be discounted.

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24 responses to “Torres vs Suarez (or why can’t we have both?)”

  1. Noura says:

    I love this article!!! I WHOLEHEARTEDLY BELIEVE THAT IF TORRES DOES COME BACK IT WILL BE THE COME BACK OF A LIFE TIME!
    after alot alot of thinking… the answer is YES!!!!!! I would love to have torres back, especially after I read the rediculus press conference of AVB… he lacks motivation because its not ANFIELD and LFC! and AVB does not know how to get to him!

    Reasons I want him back with SUAREZ:

    1. He does not need to run, he can be the fox in the box for us, just finish what Suarez creates… many are saying he does not fit our style, KK thought of partnering him with suarez, but since he left we had to set the team around suarez and hope that someone can finish those goals (nor Kuyt nor Carroll are at the moment)… and YES HE CAN FIT IN A 442!!! anyone saying he cant… well…

    2. For all those saying would you take your wife back if she cheated on you… MANY PEOPLE HAVE… You do not earse the past and you cant cancel out the good memories! You would take her back, especially if she wants to come back! and I can guarantee the relationship will be much better, because now SHE APPRECIATES what she has!!!!Torres should he choose to come back, will appreciate what he has and give 200%!

    3. Torres is world class, no doubt in my mind, and the team we have are all professionals I am sure they will all accept him being back, and I am sure in the back of many of their minds, they are saying we need TORRES to finish off those chances!!no one does it better! and he does not need time to settle in! HE CAN HIT THE GROUND RUNNING! the mere fact that we came back for him will give him the confidence of a life time!

    4. It would be one of the best come backs and publicity for the club… Fernando is world class, and the fact that it did not work at chelsea but worked at liverpool is great image for liverpool to attacked other new players… Torres can add to our competitive edge! he is what all young center forwards aspire to become and learn from!! he could sure teach Carroll a few things…

    5- Life is short, and we need to learn how to forgive… its part of the liverpool way… So please KK if you can get him… and you are reading this… PLEASE GET HIM… HIS LACK OF MOTIVATION IS BECAUSE HE WANTS TO BE WITH A FAMILY LIKE TEAM… HE BELIEVES IN YNWA, AND THE LIVERPOOL WAY… sometimes great people make mistakes and even if they are small, they seem so large cause you dont expect mistakes from big people…

    I will stand firm on this one: YES A MILLION TIME YES… I WANT TORRES BACK ROARING AND SCORING GOALS AT ANFIELD… as Wenger said about Henry, applies to Torres… Anfield is Torres’ garden! and I would have him back in a heart beat!

    Last but not least…

    YNWA…

    • AnfieldIndex says:

      All I can say is… WOW, what a response.

    • executionerLFC7 says:

      PLEASE GET HIM… HIS LACK OF MOTIVATION IS BECAUSE HE WANTS TO BE WITH A FAMILY LIKE TEAM… HE BELIEVES IN YNWA, AND THE LIVERPOOL WAY… Thats what you want to believe the pure fact is torres pissed on all of that last january by jumping ship along with his crappy unveilling press conference at chelsea.I say let him stay with the “BIG CLUB” he joined to win trophys with and we will see who will win more this season.I understand that with us not scoring many goals “yet” and torres in bad shape these articles and comments will always pop up,i say get over it.I would like to say we do need a striker a real jack in the box type like fowler,that being said there is no need to bring back torres we can wait till the summer until someone that really wants to wear the red shirt comes along to take our dreams to new heights.

  2. i think we (lfc)better bring in a better top finisher than bringing torress back to our dear club lfc,because even if he’s (torres)is welcome back he’ll not bee playing with his happy mind because his mind were no longer with lfc then he left to chelsea but that did’nt worrk out for him,so the manager should bring in top finishers like-HULK from FC PORTO-HIGUAIN- DAVID VILLA just to mention but few

  3. franks says:

    What??
    I cant believe how many fans are even considering this. Firstly, he betrayed us. To run back would be pathetic. Secondly, he’s hardly having the time of his life at chelsea. Stats can only say so much- when watching him it is clear he is not the same player. Lastly, it would never happen! Abramovic surely wont sell back to us if he does sell and torres will not be cheap even then. If a poacher is needed, there are better options anyways.

    Please tell me this is a joke. I usually love the articles.

  4. Apocalypse says:

    Fernando Torres isn’t the only striker on the planet. Surely we can find someone for the same price or more likely even cheaper than what it would cost to bring back an off form, might turn good Torres. If life was Football Manager I would bring in Hulk but since this is reality I would be fine with anyone who isn’t a “flash in the pan” player.

    PS..I skimmed the article so I might be a bit off as to what the article was about.

  5. Killer Bee says:

    One thing here is a surety, we need El Nino back to convert most chances Suarez creates. To be able let your best player move out shows courage but to take him back portrays more strength. Hope Kk bring him back.
    YNWA

  6. executionerLFC7 says:

    I find it rather amusing when someone compares crap and caviar and trys to convince me that its the same because they look alike, the pure FACT is that one is shit.I dont care if you bring all the stats in the world they wont convince me diffrently,the reason being that in the PAST YEAR where you are comparing the two players, suarez is like a dance master constantly gliding around a football pitch terrorising defences and having 45,000 people trying to guess his next move and torres on the other hand is stuck in between two center backs crying and arguing like he just dropped his tampon.You brought many stats to the table like shots taken, accuracy and minutes played, thats rather unfair on suarez because most his chances he creates on his own and shoots under pressure and some are far shots plus some freekicks etc.The difference is one is a sponteneous genius and the other trys hard to get his 5 yard passes right.There are other gifted stikers that can get goals all around the world i say Y.N.W.A onwards and upwards with our bros that stuck around and didnt jump ship like rats.

  7. Weedidit says:

    Torres’s not been world class for more than 1 season. Tbh, he’s been pants, and all the fans calling for his return, remember that he left to play for a big club. We do need a Torres kinda player, but not him, cause I honestly believe that he’s past his best,

  8. Amino says:

    To all people saying that Torres “betrayed” us and doesn’t deserve a chance back at liverpool once again:
    Who are we to judge his career or life? Certainly you wouldn’t be thought of as a betrayer if you leave a company to work for another one? This is his career, his life we don’t have any right to judge him, wither it was the right choice or the wrong one.
    As to my thought regarding the article:
    Torres was a perfect player in the past, in order to get close to that perfect form again, he will need time and a lot of work, so I don’t think he is the best option now as we need a fast solution for that problem.
    I would have recommended D.Villa but his injury ended that suggestion, I would go with hulk (strong body, fast and a good finisher).Another suggestion would be Nilmar.

    P.S Torres is still one of my best players, i would certainly love to see him play under Kenny’s directions, but to get his tip top shape, he will need a season’s worth of work at least.

  9. Fiddy says:

    To Many People Hold Grudges. Yes He Walked Out On Us When We Needed Him, And We ALL Hated Him For It, But Personally, That Hatred Didnt Last Long For Me, No Player Is Bigger Than The Club, And Holding Grudges Is The Biggest Waste Of Emotion. ill Never Forget, But I Have Forgave Him.

    As For Him Coming Back, Im 110% Sure He Wont Be Coming Back, But If It Was An Option For Us And Him, Im 110% Sure He Would Come Back, And Id 110% Welcome Him With Open Arms.

    Just Picture A Fully Focused, Passionate, And On Form Nando, Playing With Suarez, If The Thought Of That Doesnt Make Your Mouth Water, Frankly, There Is Something Wrong With You, It Would Be MASSIVE For The Club.

    It Wont Happen, But For Arguments Sake, If It Was An Option, Its One I Wouldnt Hesitate To Take.

    YNWA

    • Noura says:

      Thanks for sharing my opinion. Its nice to see someone be forgiving for a change… If he was available for cheap, I would like the club to get him back and try to rejuvenate his career… but I am a dreamer…

  10. bri5x says:

    The article is completely pointless.when torres is not scoring he offers nothing.even when suarez isn’t scoring he,s causing havoc to defences.the comparison is chalk and cheese..and cheese has emergrated to australia.you,ve got to base your descision, on whether to bring torres back,on purely football reasons..not sentiment.frankly I wouldn’t want him near the club and paying 20 mill for him would be suicide..he,s worth about ten at a stretch.you can throw as many stats at it as you like but if suarez was put up for sale today,we could basically name our price the same couldn’t be said of torres

  11. executionerLFC7 says:

    I find it rather amusing when someone compares crap and caviar and trys to convince me that its the same because they look alike, the pure FACT is that one is crap.I dont care if you bring all the stats in the world they wont convince me diffrently,the reason being that in the PAST YEAR where you are comparing the two players, suarez is like a dance master constantly gliding around a football pitch terrorising defences and having 45,000 people trying to guess his next move and torres on the other hand is stuck in between two center backs crying and arguing like he just dropped his tampon.You brought many stats to the table like shots taken, accuracy and minutes played, thats rather unfair on suarez because most his chances he creates on his own and shoots under pressure and some are far shots plus some freekicks etc.The difference is one is a sponteneous genius and the other trys hard to get his 5 yard passes right.There are other gifted stikers that can get goals all around the world i say Y.N.W.A onwards and upwards with our bros that stuck around and didnt jump ship like rats.

  12. Some interesting responses. It’s funny how quickly people have forgotten how good Torres was for Liverpool. He was sold for £50 million for a reason..

    If Kenny is in the market for another striker, Torres would not be top of my list.

    But a part of me is tempted to see what him and Suarez can do on the same team.

    I don’t think he will come back though. For many different reasons.

  13. Peter Elwood says:

    What short memories we have.
    It’s a terrific article but many liverpool fans were fine selling him because he had been poor for the last 12-18 months. Not just out of form, but weak in motivation and moral. It has continued into Chelsea. His poor form didn’t start when he moved to Chelsea it started here in Liverpool. He doesn’t belong in England, and He doesn’t want to be in England.

  14. steve jones says:

    people are running torres down, hell yeah he shit on us and he basically run us in to the ground. BUT a fully fit and firing torres along side suarez? dynamite## torres isnt finished either, they were saying that when he had a barren spell at lfc. and then he exploded in to life again and was scoring for fun. lfc is where he wants to be because i have a feeling he regreted the chelsea move 3 months in. worth a punt if he wants the move back because donkey carrol aint excactly setting the world alight is he.

  15. AnfieldIndex says:

    If you ask me right now… Would I take Torres back for 60% off of the price of what we sold him and I’d tell you… HELL YES. If he comes back he’s admitting he made a mistake. He’ll say sorry, he has had a hard time and he will want to make it up to LFC supporters. All depends on if Damien and Kenny want him, which no one knows.

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